False ticket sent by mail. Found guilty from the officers testimony... SCAM!

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ATOA

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I got 2 tickets in the mail from a New Jersey police.
The date of the offense I was not on that location and a cop never pulled me.

After court hearing they set me in for trial, and the police gave his testimony that he was on his way home from work when I tailgated him and made my high beams on him for 5 miles... And although it's a year later he claims he still remembers my face...
When I started questioning him about the date and time, he changed dates in front of the judge and testified again...
Which is clearly false! And I am 100% sure that I was not on that place on that time.

My question is:
Can a police officer testify without proof?
Can he change stories in middle?
Can he change the date and time of the offense even if in the ticket it says a different date and time of offense?
Can he recognize a face from a year ago? And as per his story it was at night...
And can a police send a ticket a day after an offense when of the time of offense he was not on duty, and didn't pull me..?
Why does the judge believe the officer over my Google timeline location proof?

And what can I do now after I was found guilty?
 
ATOA said:
Can a police officer testify without proof?
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His testimony is "evidence." Whether that is adequate proof or not depends on your ability to disprove it.

ATOA said:
Can he change stories in middle?
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Obviously, he can, because he did.

ATOA said:
Can he change the date and time of the offense even if in the ticket it says a different date and time of offense?
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Again, he can, because he did.

ATOA said:
Can he recognize a face from a year ago? And as per his story it was at night...
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He says he can. It was up to you to disprove it.

ATOA said:
And can a police send a ticket a day after an offense when of the time of offense he was not on duty, and didn't pull me..?
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Yes to both. Police are never off duty. They might not be on shift, but never off duty.

ATOA said:
Why does the judge believe the officer over my Google timeline location proof?
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Because traffic tickets are cash cows for the municipality in which they are issued. Traffic judges are the cash collectors and will always give the officer more credibility than the poor sap who is a victim of the system.

I looked up "Google timeline location." Very interesting service. My insurance monitoring app does that for me. Unless it proved that you were somewhere else entirely at the time and date, it didn't prove that you didn't have your high beams on him at the time.

When it's word vs word, the officer wins.

ATOA said:
And what can I do now after I was found guilty?
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File an appeal if you are within the time limit allowed.

Municipal Court Appeals | NJ Courts

Guide for appealing a municipal court decision. Submit the necessary forms, pay fees, and meet deadlines. Ensure all documents are mailed correctly and contact the court or an attorney for assistance.
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adjusterjack said:
His testimony is "evidence." Whether that is adequate proof or not depends on your ability to disprove it.


Obviously, he can, because he did.


Again, he can, because he did.
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That's my question...
I have to trust the court that whatever happened is correct?
Maybe it's corrupted...
Why is a police that changes dates, and claims he remembers someone's face from a year ago in the dark, credible?!
adjusterjack said:
He says he can. It was up to you to disprove it.


Yes to both. Police are never off duty. They might not be on shift, but never off duty.


Because traffic tickets are cash cows for the municipality in which they are issued. Traffic judges are the cash collectors and will always give the officer more credibility than the poor sap who is a victim of the system.

I looked up "Google timeline location." Very interesting service. My insurance monitoring app does that for me. Unless it proved that you were somewhere else entirely at the time and date, it didn't prove that you didn't have your high beams on him at the time.
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It clearly proved that I was somewhere else but the judge still gave the so called credible officer the trust...
adjusterjack said:
When it's word vs word, the officer wins.

File an appeal if you are within the time limit allowed.

Municipal Court Appeals | NJ Courts

Guide for appealing a municipal court decision. Submit the necessary forms, pay fees, and meet deadlines. Ensure all documents are mailed correctly and contact the court or an attorney for assistance.
www.njcourts.gov www.njcourts.gov
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I don't understand, can a police officer make up a story and testify and that's it?! What type of justice is that?!


And what can I bring to the appeals court?
Can I bring New proof that I wasn't there at that time?
And if the police will change time again?
 
ATOA said:
Maybe it's corrupted...
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Of course it's corrupt. That's why you rarely have a chance when you plead not guilty to a traffic citation. Cash cow. Cash collector.

ATOA said:
And what can I bring to the appeals court?
Can I bring New proof that I wasn't there at that time
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No. Appeals decide if the judge erred in interpreting the existing evidence or applying the law. You cannot raise new evidence on appeal.

ATOA said:
And if the police will change time again?
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The officer isn't likely to be involved in the appeal. All his testimony (and yours) will be in the trial transcript.

ATOA said:
And how can I get this corrupt officer fired?
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You can't.
 
ATOA said:
And how can I get this corrupt officer fired?
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If you attempt to stimulate the officer's termination, you'll be setting yourself up for a devastating lawsuit or perhaps initiating a criminal case against yourself.

Tread lightly citizen, step gingerly away from this madness, unless you seek to harm yourself.
 
ATOA said:
Can a police officer testify without proof?
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This question makes zero sense. First, the officer did testify, so it is obvious that he could do so. Second, "proof" is nothing more than a quantum of evidence that persuades someone (in this case a judge) that something is or isn't true. Third, testimony is evidence.

I'm guessing what you may have intended to ask is whether some evidence in addition to the officer's testimony was necessary to convict you. If so, the answer to that question is no.


ATOA said:
Can he change stories in middle?
Can he change the date and time of the offense even if in the ticket it says a different date and time of offense?
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Did the officer do these things? If so, then that answers the "can he" questions.


ATOA said:
Can he recognize a face from a year ago?
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As you've described the officer's testimony, he certainly believed he could. And you apparently disagree.


ATOA said:
can a police send a ticket a day after an offense when of the time of offense he was not on duty, and didn't pull me..?
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See above. Anything that did happen can happen.


ATOA said:
Why does the judge believe the officer over my Google timeline location proof?
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I have no idea what "my Google timeline location proof" means.

Why did the judge find you guilty? We weren't there and have no information about anything beyond what you included in your post.


ATOA said:
And what can I do now after I was found guilty?
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Your two basic options would be to pay the fine and get it over with or to appeal the conviction.


ATOA said:
That's my question...
I have to trust the court that whatever happened is correct?
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As phrased, this isn't a question. You were convicted, and that conviction will stand until and unless it is overturned on appeal.


ATOA said:
And what can I bring to the appeals court?
Can I bring New proof that I wasn't there at that time?
And if the police will change time again?
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To the best of my knowledge, no one who follows these boards regularly is an attorney who practices in NJ or otherwise has knowledge of NJ traffic court procedure.


adjusterjack said:
Appeals decide if the judge erred in interpreting the existing evidence or applying the law. You cannot raise new evidence on appeal.
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I would not rule out the possibility that a traffic court appeal results in a trial de novo (much like a small claims appeal in some states).
 
ATOA said:
Why does the judge believe the officer over my Google timeline location proof?
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My limited search has revealed the following information: (use it at your DISCRETION, I neither support or encourage you to believe what it reveals. It is supplied for your informational purpose only).



Google Timeline data is generally considered to be highly accurate, but it's not infallible. The accuracy of the data depends on various factors, including the strength of the device's GPS signal, the availability of Wi-Fi and cellular connections, and the quality of the device's location sensors.

While Google Timeline data can provide a detailed record of a user's movements, it's not always 100% accurate. For example, the data may be incomplete or inconsistent if the user's device is turned off or in airplane mode. Additionally, the data may be affected by environmental factors, such as tall buildings or mountains, which can interfere with GPS signals.

Can Google Timeline Data Be Manipulated Or Faked?

While Google Timeline data is generally considered to be reliable, it's possible for users to manipulate or fake their location data. For example, users can turn off their device's location services or use VPNs to mask their IP address.

However, law enforcement agencies and digital forensic experts have the tools and expertise to detect and prevent manipulation of Google Timeline data. They can use various methods to verify the authenticity of the data, including analyzing the user's device and browsing history, and interviewing witnesses.

What Are The Implications Of Using Google Timeline Data In Court?

The use of Google Timeline data in court raises important privacy and ethical concerns. Many users are unaware that their location data is being collected and stored by Google, and they may not appreciate the potential consequences of this data being used in court.

Furthermore, the use of Google Timeline data in court can have a significant impact on individuals' lives, particularly in criminal cases where the data may be used as evidence of guilt or innocence. Therefore, it's essential to ensure that the collection and use of Google Timeline data are done in a way that respects individuals' privacy and promotes fairness and justice.

How Can Users Protect Their Privacy And Prevent Google Timeline Data From Being Used In Court?

Users can take several steps to protect their privacy and prevent Google Timeline data from being used in court. Firstly, they can turn off location services on their device or disable Google Timeline altogether.

Additionally, users can use privacy-enhancing tools, such as VPNs and browser extensions, to mask their IP address and location data. They can also use alternative mapping apps and browsers that do not collect location data. By taking these steps, users can reduce the risk of their Google Timeline data being used in court.

What Are The Broader Implications Of The Use Of Google Timeline Data In Court?

The use of Google Timeline data in court has significant implications for our understanding of privacy and surveillance in the digital age. It highlights the importance of transparency and accountability in the collection and use of personal data, and it raises questions about the role of technology companies in facilitating state surveillance.

Furthermore, the use of Google Timeline data in court has the potential to erode trust between individuals and technology companies, and it may lead to a re-evaluation of the legal frameworks that govern the collection and use of personal data. Ultimately, it's essential to ensure that the use of Google Timeline data in court is done in a way that promotes fairness, justice, and respect for individuals' privacy and autonomy.





The Digital Trail: Can Google Timeline be Used in Court?

In the era of digital dominance, our online activities leave behind a trail of digital footprints. Google Timeline, a feature integrated into Google Maps, is
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welkin said:
What offences were you charged with?
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Driving too close and improper use of highbeams
welkin said:
Wait a minute, this doesn't make sense. Since the cop did not make a stop, it was dark outside and you allegedly were tailgating him with your high beams on, how did he see your face?
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That's exactly the case!!!

But for some reason (which is known to everyone) the judge trusts the nonsense of the police officer rather than Google location data and sensible humans.
 
ATOA said:
But for some reason (which is known to everyone) the judge trusts the nonsense of the police officer rather than Google location data and sensible humans.
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Have you ever attempted to CROSS EXAMINE data?

Therein lies one very large issue, mate.

Can data be sworn in before testifying?

Upon further reflection, can data be manipulated, as in FAKED?
 
ATOA said:
Why is a police that changes dates, and claims he remembers someone's face from a year ago in the dark, credible?!
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When that happens you need to drill down on that in your questioning of the officer while the officer is on the stand. Make it very clear to the judge that the story has changed midstream. If you are good at highlighting the inconsistencies in the witness' testimony you can proceed to paid the testimony as unreliable. Judges go only by what is presented to them in court. They may not always catch the story has changed a bit unless you make the effort to really hammer that home in your questioning and in your closing remarks.
 
ATOA said:
Driving too close and improper use of highbeams

That's exactly the case!!!

But for some reason (which is known to everyone) the judge trusts the nonsense of the police officer rather than Google location data and sensible humans.
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The tailgating tick is the serious one.

39:4-89. Following; space between trucks

The driver of a vehicle shall not follow another vehicle more closely than is reasonable and prudent, having due regard to the speed of the preceding vehicle and the traffic upon, and condition of, the highway.

The driver of a motor truck when traveling upon a highway, outside of a business or residence district, shall not follow another motor truck within one hundred feet, but this shall not be construed to prevent one motor truck overtaking and passing another.
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What Are the Penalties for Tailgating in New Jersey?

  • Fine: New Jersey imposes a fine of $50 to $200 upon conviction for tailgating.
  • Points: New Jersey's Motor Vehicles Commission (MVC) considers tailgating to be a serious violation and adds 5 points to the license of any driver convicted of this violation. As such, a tailgating conviction can easily trigger a yearly surcharge (at 6+ points) or license suspension (at 12 points).
  • Court costs: Challenging one's tailgating ticket in NJ requires drivers to pay $33 in court costs.
  • Surcharge: A driver who reaches 6 points or more on their license (easy to do with a tailgating ticket) will be obligated to pay a surcharge of $150 plus $25 for each point over six. This surcharge will be billed annually for three years.
  • Auto insurance increase: Tailgating carries a serious risk of a collision and potential insurance claim. Thus, getting convicted for tailgating can potentially raise premiums. One study estimates that tailgating tickets can increase car insurance rates by about 13%.
  • Jail time: In rare instances, drivers can be sentenced to 15 days in jail for tailgating in NJ. Most judges do not impose this penalty, but some may consider it if the driver's actions are particularly heinous, he/she shows little or no remorse for his/her actions in court, or he/she has a long history of serious traffic offenses, among other reasons.
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The improper use of high beams is a BS ticket and doesn't apply to what the cop accused you of. It should have been dismissed.

39:3-60. Use of multiple-beam road lighting equipment

Every person driving a motor vehicle equipped with multiple-beam road lighting equipment, during the times when lighted lamps are required, shall use a distribution of light, or composite beam, directed high enough and of sufficient intensity to reveal persons and vehicles at a safe distance in advance of the vehicle, subject to the following requirements and limitations: whenever the driver of a vehicle approaches an oncoming vehicle within five hundred feet, such driver shall use a distribution of light or composite beam so aimed that the glaring rays are not projected into the eyes of the oncoming driver, and in no case shall the high-intensity portion which is projected to the left of the prolongation of the extreme left side of the vehicle be aimed higher than the center of the lamp from which it comes at a distance of twenty-five feet ahead, and in no case higher than a level of forty-two inches above the level upon which the vehicle stands at a distance of seventy-five feet ahead.
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All the cop had to do is flip his rearview mirror to night vision.

In the "day" position, the driver sees the road behind by reflection on the (rear) metal surface. In the "night" position, the driver sees the dimmer reflection on the (front) glass coating. The light is attenuated in the second mode, which partially compensates the pupillary response.
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You should have done your due diligence before your trial and not relied on Google location. You could have shown the court through cross-examination (even assuming that what the cop testified to was true), that the NJ law was being incorrectly applied.
 
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Zigner said:
Doesn't change the fact that the offense was committed.
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The statute doesn't address using your high beams while following a vehicle. It only addresses oncoming vehicles. No offense was committed. You should read the statute and understand what it says before commenting.
 
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welkin said:
The statute doesn't address using your high beams while following a vehicle. It only addresses oncoming vehicles. No offense was committed. You should read the statute and understand what it says before commenting.
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Do you honestly believe that there was no oncoming traffic for five miles?
 
Tax Counsel said:
When that happens you need to drill down on that in your questioning of the officer while the officer is on the stand. Make it very clear to the judge that the story has changed midstream. If you are good at highlighting the inconsistencies in the witness' testimony you can proceed to paid the testimony as unreliable. Judges go only by what is presented to them in court. They may not always catch the story has changed a bit unless you make the effort to really hammer that home in your questioning and in your closing remarks.
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I actually clearly told the judge that he changed but she said that he testified again and she has his testimony...
It didn't look like she's trying to get the truth...
It's a piece of corruption!!!
 
ATOA said:
How can I see if I got points? And how much?
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