Restoring the Father's Original Egyptian Name for Citizenship Proof

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Enna_A

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Hello everyone,
I'm seeking guidance on a complex issue involving Egyptian citizenship by descent.
About 30 years ago, I married an Egyptian man in Egypt. He presented himself as an Egyptian-American, and our marriage was legally registered using his Egyptian identification. After moving to the U.S., I discovered that he had legally changed his full name through a U.S. court order, citing professional reasons. Our children were born in the U.S. and registered under his new Western name.
This name change has created complications. When our children turned 18, they legally changed their last name back to their father's original Egyptian surname. However, due to the name listed on their birth certificates, they've struggled to prove their Egyptian heritage and are facing challenges in obtaining Egyptian citizenship.
We've contacted the Egyptian Embassy, but the process has been difficult, especially since their
father is unwilling to assist and is no longer in contact.
We understand that Egyptian citizenship by descent is possible if the father was an Egyptian citizen
at the time of birth.
Our question is: Can we file a court case in the U.S. to legally restore the father's original
Egyptian name on official records, so that our children can use this to prove their lineage and
claim Egyptian citizenship?
Any insights into the legal feasibility of this approach or alternative solutions would be greatly
appreciated.
Thank you for your time and support.
 
Enna_A said:
Our question is: Can we file a court case in the U.S. to legally restore the father's original
Egyptian name on official records, so that our children can use this to prove their lineage and
claim Egyptian citizenship?
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No.

The person whose name is to be changed has to do it.

You cannot do it for somebody else.

I wonder if DNA testing of your children would provide enough proof of Egyptian ancestry.

egyptian genetic differences at DuckDuckGo
 
Enna_A said:
I'm seeking guidance on a complex issue
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You're communicating with anonymous strangers who may or may not be lawyers, who may or may not be in the relevant state, and who may or may not have any relevant legal knowledge. NOT a good place for complex legal issues.


Enna_A said:
Our children were born in the U.S. and registered under his new Western name.
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Registered? I assume this doesn't mean anything other than that your kids were given the father's "[w]estern name" as a surname.


Enna_A said:
Can we file a court case in the U.S. to legally restore the father's original
Egyptian name on official records, so that our children can use this to prove their lineage and
claim Egyptian citizenship?
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What? First of all, from a legal standpoint, this has nothing to do with you. Second, the legal name of your ex- (?) husband/father of your children is no one's business but his. Third, I have a hard time believing that a birth certificate reflecting a "western name" is the be-all and end-all for obtaining Egyptian citizenship by descent.

By the way, why do your kids want Egyptian citizenship?

I would suggest that your kids retain the services of an immigration attorney. It shouldn't be too difficult to find one in New York who has some familiarity with Egyptian citizenship issues. If they can't find such a person in NY, then they'll have to look in Egypt.
 
zddoodah said:
You're communicating with anonymous strangers who may or may not be lawyers, who may or may not be in the relevant state, and who may or may not have any relevant legal knowledge. NOT a good place for complex legal issues.




Registered? I assume this doesn't mean anything other than that your kids were given the father's "[w]estern name" as a surname.




What? First of all, from a legal standpoint, this has nothing to do with you. Second, the legal name of your ex- (?) husband/father of your children is no one's business but his. Third, I have a hard time believing that a birth certificate reflecting a "western name" is the be-all and end-all for obtaining Egyptian citizenship by descent.

By the way, why do your kids want Egyptian citizenship?

I would suggest that your kids retain the services of an immigration attorney. It shouldn't be too difficult to find one in New York who has some familiarity with Egyptian citizenship issues. If they can't find such a person in NY, then they'll have to look in Egypt.
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Okay, thank you for the advice.
 
Enna_A said:
About 30 years ago, I married an Egyptian man in Egypt. He presented himself as an Egyptian-American, and our marriage was legally registered using his Egyptian identification.
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Most interesting. Did you have your Egyptian issued marriage license/document PROPERLY REGISTERED in the state where you and your husband resided?


You might wish to do so ASAP, if you can.

Otherwise

Authenticate Your Egyptian Marriage Certificate



To use the marriage certificate in the U.S., it should be translated into English at the Notary Public Authority-located on 57 Ramses Street, Cairo. It takes 1-2 days to receive the translation, which must then be authenticated by the Egyptian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and authenticated by the American Citizen Services Unit at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo ($50.00).

Please note: If you do obtain an English marriage certificate from the Egyptian Ministry of Justice Translation office, you DO NOT need to have it authenticated at the American Embassy to use for immigration in the United States.

If you have any questions, please use the U.S. Citizen Services Navigator to contact the American Citizen Services (ACS) unit.
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What occurs if a marriage is performed abroad ?

If a marriage is entered into in accordance with local law, it is regarded as valid in the nation where it occurs. The laws of the country where the marriage is to be recognized determine whether or not marriages performed abroad are recognized as valid.

U.S. marriages cannot be performed abroad by embassy or consulate personnel. Local civil or religious officials typically officiate marriages, depending on the laws of the foreign nation. If the parties enter into the marriage in accordance with local law, the marriage will be recognized as valid in the country where it is performed. The laws of the country where a marriage is to be recognized ultimately determine whether a marriage performed abroad is valid.

It can take a long time and be expensive to get married abroad. From one country to the next, the procedures are different, and some call for extensive planning. You should research the requirements of the country you intend to wed in before your trip if you have any plans to do so abroad.

For more information on particular requirements, get in touch with the embassy or tourist information center of the nation where you intend to wed. The country information that the Department of State publishes for each nation includes contact information for foreign embassies and consulates as well. Consult the closest U.S. Embassy or Consulate if you are already abroad. S., either an embassy or a consulate.


Another useful resource


www.usa.gov

How to get a copy of a marriage certificate or a marriage license | USAGov

Learn the difference between a marriage license and a marriage certificate. Know how to get copies whether you were married in the U.S. or abroad.
www.usa.gov www.usa.gov
 
I don't believe that this is a US law matter. No matter what anyone changes their name to, it's Egypt that has to be convinced.
 
army judge said:
Most interesting. Did you have your Egyptian issued marriage license/document PROPERLY REGISTERED in the state where you and your husband resided?


You might wish to do so ASAP, if you can.

Otherwise

Authenticate Your Egyptian Marriage Certificate



To use the marriage certificate in the U.S., it should be translated into English at the Notary Public Authority-located on 57 Ramses Street, Cairo. It takes 1-2 days to receive the translation, which must then be authenticated by the Egyptian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and authenticated by the American Citizen Services Unit at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo ($50.00).

Please note: If you do obtain an English marriage certificate from the Egyptian Ministry of Justice Translation office, you DO NOT need to have it authenticated at the American Embassy to use for immigration in the United States.

If you have any questions, please use the U.S. Citizen Services Navigator to contact the American Citizen Services (ACS) unit.
MORE

What occurs if a marriage is performed abroad ?

If a marriage is entered into in accordance with local law, it is regarded as valid in the nation where it occurs. The laws of the country where the marriage is to be recognized determine whether or not marriages performed abroad are recognized as valid.

U.S. marriages cannot be performed abroad by embassy or consulate personnel. Local civil or religious officials typically officiate marriages, depending on the laws of the foreign nation. If the parties enter into the marriage in accordance with local law, the marriage will be recognized as valid in the country where it is performed. The laws of the country where a marriage is to be recognized ultimately determine whether a marriage performed abroad is valid.

It can take a long time and be expensive to get married abroad. From one country to the next, the procedures are different, and some call for extensive planning. You should research the requirements of the country you intend to wed in before your trip if you have any plans to do so abroad.

For more information on particular requirements, get in touch with the embassy or tourist information center of the nation where you intend to wed. The country information that the Department of State publishes for each nation includes contact information for foreign embassies and consulates as well. Consult the closest U.S. Embassy or Consulate if you are already abroad. S., either an embassy or a consulate.


Another useful resource


www.usa.gov

How to get a copy of a marriage certificate or a marriage license | USAGov

Learn the difference between a marriage license and a marriage certificate. Know how to get copies whether you were married in the U.S. or abroad.
www.usa.gov www.usa.gov
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The Egyptian marriage certificate was used to apply for the US citizenship. Also, it was used later to get divorce in the US. My court divorce documents include his current as well as formal name.
 

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