Protection orders, and how they apply to others

[Hansome]

Jurisdiction

Washington

I am an executive at a private club in WA state. Two of our members got divorced. and there is a protective order. We have told the couple, that if HE is in the bar first, she cannot enter. And if SHE is in the bar first, that HE may not enter. Their divorce is NOT our business, and we do not need this kind of drama in our club.
Now comes her lawyer. The lawyer is advising HER to enter the club, and if HE does not leave to call the cops and have him arrested. Where are our rights in this? We do not need this drama or troublemaking at our club. THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE A PRIVATE CLUB!!!!

 

[doucar]

I am an executive at a private club in WA state. Two of our members got divorced. and there is a protective order. We have told the couple, that if HE is in the bar first, she cannot enter. And if SHE is in the bar first, that HE may not enter. Their divorce is NOT our business, and we do not need this kind of drama in our club.
Now comes her lawyer. The lawyer is advising HER to enter the club, and if HE does not leave to call the cops and have him arrested. Where are our rights in this? We do not need this drama or troublemaking at our club. THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE A PRIVATE CLUB!!!!

If the restraining order requires him to leave if she is there, the restraining order is the law

 

[Hansome]

If the restraining order requires him to leave if she is there, the restraining order is the law

How would we know what the restraining order says? she has refused to provide us with one.
Can we refuse to let her in is HE is there? This is not a public club, but both are members.

 

[Hansome]

So, Can we refuse to let her in is He is there?

 

[army judge]

So, Can we refuse to let her in is He is there?

You might be better served by seeking the guidance of your private club's attorney, the local police agency, and/or your county sheriff department.

 

[doucar]

You might be better served by seeking the guidance of your private club's attorney, the local police agency, and/or your county sheriff department.

You could always ask him for a copy.

 

[Foamback]

Stay out of it, enforcing the order isn't your job

 

[adjusterjack]

Cancel their memberships and get rid of them both.

Problem solved.

 

[army judge]

 

[Hansome]

Stay out of it, enforcing the order isn't your job

okay. but we dont want it in our club. They are not being civil, threatening to call cops etcetera. I am struggling to find a way to expell the one that starts the crap up, but everything she/he is doing is legal. We can't throw them out for doing things that are legal can we?

 

[doucar]

okay. but we dont want it in our club. They are not being civil, threatening to call cops etcetera. I am struggling to find a way to expell the one that starts the crap up, but everything she/he is doing is legal. We can't throw them out for doing things that are legal can we?

Depends upon the rules of the Club.

 

[Hansome]

Cancel their memberships and get rid of them both.

Problem solved.

Can we cancel their membership? I would love to. BUT they have not really done anything that is illegal, immoral, or bad. They just bring their drama to a place it should not be.

 

[cbg]

Sigh. This really isn't as big a deal as you're trying to turn it into. Just relax. It feels worse than it is.

As was said above, it is not your job to enforce the order. If they both are there at the same time and any drama ensues, tell them to leave and that if it happens again, their membership will be cancelled.

Then, if it happens again, do it.

This assumes that your bylaws, if any, would not be violated by the above.

 

[zddoodah]

I am an executive at a private club in WA state.

What sort of club? How is the club organized? Corporation? LLC? Something else?

there is a protective order.

A protective order that says what? How is it that you came to know about this order?

Their divorce is NOT our business

Then why did you tell them this: "We have told the couple, that if HE is in the bar first, she cannot enter. And if SHE is in the bar first, that HE may not enter"? You kinda made it your business by doing that.

Now comes her lawyer. The lawyer is advising HER to enter the club, and if HE does not leave to call the cops and have him arrested.

How is it that you purport to know what her lawyer told her?

By the way, does your private club have an attorney? If so, have you consulted with him/her about this?

Where are our rights in this?

As phrased, this question makes no sense. However, that's partly because you provided no relevant information about the protective order.

How would we know what the restraining order says?

That's a good question, but your initial post indicates an awful lot of knowledge about the situation.

Can we refuse to let her in is HE is there? This is not a public club, but both are members.

Your club's rights and obligations vis-a-vis its members are, presumably, spelled out in the membership agreement, club by-laws, and whatever other documents govern club operations.

We can't throw them out for doing things that are legal can we?

Can we cancel their membership?

How could we possibly know?

One final point: the protective order presumably imposes certain obligations and/or restraints on the parties. However, it likely does not purport to impose any obligations or restraints on third parties (such as you and your club). In order for it to do that, a third party would need to be joined in the action in some manner. If that hasn't happened, and if the protective order hasn't been served on a third party, then the protective order is a complete irrelevancy to the third party.