OK over the weekend I sold a car to a man who said he was in desperate need of the vehicle, so I held the car till he could come get it. I told him everything that I thought was wrong which was no heat, no rear shocks and that I thought there was an exhaust leak but was not sure. And I was consistent on the exhaust leak BC he had kids and I was nervous about him having kids in the car if that was the problem but even told him why I thought that BC he told me he worked at a transmission shop and knew a good bit about cars. Anyway he comes and brings a diagnostics tester, looks under the hood a good bit, and I even let him test drive it down the road by himself. I even told him that I only had it a couple months and we replaced a hose to the water heater but other than that I didn't think anything else was wrong. He asks me if it has overheated and I said no it has never overheated with me. He buys it brings it home and messages me the next morning saying I lied about it over heating that the head gaskets blown. So I told him I didn't appreciate being called a liar I told him what I thought was wrong but wasn't sure. But I would refund the money anyway. After that he apologized and said he would talk to his wife about bringing it back. I waited all day and had messaged him three times during the rest of the day asking him when he was bringing it and if he was and got nothing from him until almost 8 that night. He says that he liked the car and that he is trying to fix it. So I thought that was it he was keeping it. He then messages me saying that he spent $150 dollars getting the piece and that if it don't work he will bring it back. After that I did not feel comfortable with giving him his money back after he had taken it upon himself to fix it. Bc not only did it run when he left and never over heat, but when I offered the money for when he told me it was broke he should've brought it back then not when he tried fixing it and it possibly be worse by something he did. Well my husband tells him that we are sorry but we cannot give you the money back since you took it upon your self to try to fix it instead of bring it back when I offered the refund. We sent that at 11:50 at night BC my husband works night . he messages me at 4 in the morning saying he is going to see me in court and that I lied and that when he was fixing then gasket he saw the motor had been worked on before. Which i thought was weird BC why didn't he message me that earlier when he was fixing the gasket. I have not messaged him back. I just want someone's opinion on it BC I know I have not done anything wrong I have all the messages printed out where I offered the money back and where he said he fixed it but I never said as is but Im pretty sure its self explanatory. Help!!!
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Sold Car but buyer wants refund
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army judge
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If Jane Doe sold a car to Roger Poe, there are no guarantees, express or implied.
All such sales are "as is" sales, meaning buyer pays her money, takes her chances.
You can discuss the bad and the good of the car with your buyer, unless you put a guarantee in writing, you aren't required to refund him his money.
You are only required to pass to him an dive him a good, clear, clean title.
Stop communicating with him, and if he sues you, you appear and defend.
You also need to stop selling cars.
Anyone buying any used car knows you're buying a bucket of rusted bolts and the other person's problems.
disagreeable
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Tell him he paid for a barely running piece of crap that would go down the road and that was what he got, with no guarantees. Tell him the mechanic that he had inspect the car before taking was obviously an idiot because there is no way to miss any indicator of a bad head gasket if you know what you are looking at. Since there was no oil in the water. No water in the oil. No white smoke pouring out of the exhaust. No indications of adulteration to the coolant and no indications of water or oil pouring or leaking out of the heads, the head gasket was not blown. If there was and he saw it, he should have performed a compression check on the cylinders in addition to driving the car on the highway before purchasing it.
Now that I spent all that time typing, I am going to share a story. Many of the 2000 plus year Volvo trucks have a coolant pre-heater for the diesel fuel before it reaches the engine. Over time, from heat, cold and normal material degradation, a hole would form, allowing coolant to enter into the diesel mix and be burned by the engine. These engines had a coolant sensor mounted to the coolant overflow tank that would signal the computer to go into idle mode, when the coolant became low. It was enough you could get the semi off to a safe shoulder. As we put millions of miles on these engines, we used to carry a couple water bottles in case the truck shut down in the middle of the desert, the dust bowl or the forest. Two water bottles, one unopened for you to drink and the other tap in an empty bottle, would usually get you about 100 miles or so to a place you could refill the coolant tank completely with water. Then when you reached a terminal with a shop, you wrote it up so they could fix it.
Now that I spent all that time typing, I am going to share a story. Many of the 2000 plus year Volvo trucks have a coolant pre-heater for the diesel fuel before it reaches the engine. Over time, from heat, cold and normal material degradation, a hole would form, allowing coolant to enter into the diesel mix and be burned by the engine. These engines had a coolant sensor mounted to the coolant overflow tank that would signal the computer to go into idle mode, when the coolant became low. It was enough you could get the semi off to a safe shoulder. As we put millions of miles on these engines, we used to carry a couple water bottles in case the truck shut down in the middle of the desert, the dust bowl or the forest. Two water bottles, one unopened for you to drink and the other tap in an empty bottle, would usually get you about 100 miles or so to a place you could refill the coolant tank completely with water. Then when you reached a terminal with a shop, you wrote it up so they could fix it.
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army judge
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If you ever sell a car again, tell them the price you have set.
If they ask about anything else, simply say, I don't know.
Also, never let them drive it away, ever.
If they kill a kid, wreck a $500,000 Bentley, or destroy a $2,000,000 home; the liability will be on you!
It's your car.
Never discuss the car unless on your property unless two or three TRUSTED, STRONG relatives or pals are nearby, as in two feet away.
Never get in the car with a potential buyer.
That could be your last ride.
Allow their mechanic to inspect it on your property.
Also have someone discretely take pictures of the shopper, using a cell phone of the car they drive up in, others in their party, drivers license, cashiers check, have copy of title and registration available to prove you own car Lear of lien and its registered. Keep photos for your records.
Always take cash and cashiers check only, no checks, no money orders, just cash and cc.
Give them a bill of sale marked, SOLD AS IS ONLY, NO GUARANTEES, NO WARRANTIES, ALL SALES FINAL, NO REFUNDS.
Make sure you properly sign off the title.
If forms requires notarization, travel in separate cars to have forms notarized, leaving the car locked away on your property.
No keys until you have CASH and paperwork completed.
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disagreeable
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Good followup AJ. I always take them to the BMV so they can transfer immediately and get their tag after I have made a copy or taken a photo of the signed, transferred title.
army judge
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It mainly protects the seller, but it also protects the buyer and follows the law.
Jumping title one can land in hot water.
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