Ex filed a motion to modify custody b/c I'm moving 10 miles

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My son's dad (we were never married) filed for a motion to modify custody. He has not been involved in my son's life much and I have had residential custody for the entire 9 years of my son's life. I have been married to my husband since he was 2 and we have 3 children together. Even though I have always kept my son's dad informed of what is going on, he has never shown up to anything. No P/T conferences, not to his tonsillectomy last year, no dr or dentist appts, etc. His family however, has been very involved and I have kept them in the loop on things as well. My son's grandma is usually the one that picks my son up for his dad's visitation and until recently (6-9 months) she would keep him for the entire weekend only bringing him to his dad's when it was time for me to pick him up. When that changed a few months ago, my son started coming home telling me that he hadn't eaten all weekend, his dad had spent the weekend sleeping and his step-mom only took care of his half-brother not him, and that he would be punished for the slightest infraction and be made to sit in his room with nothing to do. I talked to my son's grandma b/c my son begged me not to talk to his dad and I asked her to help clear up what was going on so my son wouldn't be so upset about going to see his dad. She seemed to have done that. At least he was being fed and allowed to do things, although that meant he was allowed to stay up all night watching "the man show" & "manswers" or playing video games. My son's dad specifically asks him what he is not allowed to do in my home and then lets him do it there, encourages him even. I'm close to my son and we talk about it and we talk about some of the options he has and what some of the consequences to those options are. I actually trust him to try to do what is right. Not to say I have been a perfect parent by any means. If only they came with a manual!

We recently moved and I gave my son's dad all the proper notices and then some. I tried talking to him about the move, given that it was only 10 miles and explain to him everything that was going on. Well he couldn't give me a legitimate reason why it was a problem to move so we moved forward with the move and I sent the required certified letter and even addressed the few concerns he had brought up in it.

Well of course, I watched the public website to see if he would file a motion and he did. Good thing I watched it b/c I have never been served with the papers and we go to court soon. Anyway he is alleging we neglect our kids, and we did have a neighbor who did not like us and called CPS reporting that same thing, but it was investigated and unsubstantiated. That was a couple years ago. Last year we took in a family member who was going into foster care and thought we would try to keep him out of the system, unfortunately, the foster care agencies did not do all their homework and he molested my daughters. The girls disclosed pretty quickly and I personally called CPS, the foster care worker, and my son's therapist. I honestly didn't think to call my ex. The only reason I called my son's therapist was b/c I knew my daughters would need someone to talk to now as well. My son did witness one incident and so he had to go through the safe talk, but that was the end of his involvement and my daughters' therapist was kept informed of his behaviors so we could determine if there was a need for him to be seen. He never showed any signs of PTSD or trauma, but he has continued to see his own therapist off and on the whole time whenever he needs to talk to someone. Anyway my son's dad is using this as part of the reason for a change in custody. The rest of the motion looked like it was written by my son, complaining of unfairness, etc.

I filed a response with the court basically saying he hasn't met material change of circumstances showing our move to be detrimental to my son. I also noted that my son's therapist would be testifying that he believes my son is well adjusted and it would be detrimental to him to live with his father. My son has elaborated quite a bit about how his father doesn't have anything to do with him unless his grandma or I force it. But for the last 6 weeks since I notified him of our move, he has been super dad. I love that for my son's sake, as does my son. I really wish we could keep him that way without me losing custody.

What are his real chances here at winning?? I'm really concerned b/c my son's grandfather used to be heavily involved as a lawyer in the local family courts and is now a municipal judge in the city. My son's dad and his lawyer are really good at stretching the truth or flat out lying and I'm not. I hate lying and I have never been able to make myself do it. Should I also bring my son's teachers to the first hearing? They can testify that his dad was never involved even though he had the same contact with them that I did.

Oh yeah, that is the other thing he alleges. I am trying to keep him from building a relationship with our son. Far from it. In fact, my 9 year old has his own email address and cell phone so he can contact his dad directly. Also so his dad can contact him directly. He doesn't even have to speak to me and he never calls him. I'm really stressed out about this, add that school starts soon and I don't want him to have to change schools should his dad get custody. And my other kids would be completely devastated to lose their brother.
 
momma4life said:
My son's dad (we were never married) filed for a motion to modify custody. He has not been involved in my son's life much and I have had residential custody for the entire 9 years of my son's life. I have been married to my husband since he was 2 and we have 3 children together. Even though I have always kept my son's dad informed of what is going on, he has never shown up to anything. No P/T conferences, not to his tonsillectomy last year, no dr or dentist appts, etc. His family however, has been very involved and I have kept them in the loop on things as well. My son's grandma is usually the one that picks my son up for his dad's visitation and until recently (6-9 months) she would keep him for the entire weekend only bringing him to his dad's when it was time for me to pick him up. When that changed a few months ago, my son started coming home telling me that he hadn't eaten all weekend, his dad had spent the weekend sleeping and his step-mom only took care of his half-brother not him, and that he would be punished for the slightest infraction and be made to sit in his room with nothing to do. I talked to my son's grandma b/c my son begged me not to talk to his dad and I asked her to help clear up what was going on so my son wouldn't be so upset about going to see his dad. She seemed to have done that. At least he was being fed and allowed to do things, although that meant he was allowed to stay up all night watching "the man show" & "manswers" or playing video games. My son's dad specifically asks him what he is not allowed to do in my home and then lets him do it there, encourages him even. I'm close to my son and we talk about it and we talk about some of the options he has and what some of the consequences to those options are. I actually trust him to try to do what is right. Not to say I have been a perfect parent by any means. If only they came with a manual!

We recently moved and I gave my son's dad all the proper notices and then some. I tried talking to him about the move, given that it was only 10 miles and explain to him everything that was going on. Well he couldn't give me a legitimate reason why it was a problem to move so we moved forward with the move and I sent the required certified letter and even addressed the few concerns he had brought up in it.

Well of course, I watched the public website to see if he would file a motion and he did. Good thing I watched it b/c I have never been served with the papers and we go to court soon. Anyway he is alleging we neglect our kids, and we did have a neighbor who did not like us and called CPS reporting that same thing, but it was investigated and unsubstantiated. That was a couple years ago. Last year we took in a family member who was going into foster care and thought we would try to keep him out of the system, unfortunately, the foster care agencies did not do all their homework and he molested my daughters. The girls disclosed pretty quickly and I personally called CPS, the foster care worker, and my son's therapist. I honestly didn't think to call my ex. The only reason I called my son's therapist was b/c I knew my daughters would need someone to talk to now as well. My son did witness one incident and so he had to go through the safe talk, but that was the end of his involvement and my daughters' therapist was kept informed of his behaviors so we could determine if there was a need for him to be seen. He never showed any signs of PTSD or trauma, but he has continued to see his own therapist off and on the whole time whenever he needs to talk to someone. Anyway my son's dad is using this as part of the reason for a change in custody. The rest of the motion looked like it was written by my son, complaining of unfairness, etc.

I filed a response with the court basically saying he hasn't met material change of circumstances showing our move to be detrimental to my son. I also noted that my son's therapist would be testifying that he believes my son is well adjusted and it would be detrimental to him to live with his father. My son has elaborated quite a bit about how his father doesn't have anything to do with him unless his grandma or I force it. But for the last 6 weeks since I notified him of our move, he has been super dad. I love that for my son's sake, as does my son. I really wish we could keep him that way without me losing custody.

What are his real chances here at winning?? I'm really concerned b/c my son's grandfather used to be heavily involved as a lawyer in the local family courts and is now a municipal judge in the city. My son's dad and his lawyer are really good at stretching the truth or flat out lying and I'm not. I hate lying and I have never been able to make myself do it. Should I also bring my son's teachers to the first hearing? They can testify that his dad was never involved even though he had the same contact with them that I did.

Oh yeah, that is the other thing he alleges. I am trying to keep him from building a relationship with our son. Far from it. In fact, my 9 year old has his own email address and cell phone so he can contact his dad directly. Also so his dad can contact him directly. He doesn't even have to speak to me and he never calls him. I'm really stressed out about this, add that school starts soon and I don't want him to have to change schools should his dad get custody. And my other kids would be completely devastated to lose their brother.


No one can say how this matter will end. It could go either way.

The fact that you didn't report the molestation that took place I'm your home to the boy's dad, might hurt you. The court will take notice of the fact that you can't forget things of that nature. If it had been the other way around, you'd be furious.

All you can do is try your case. You can't worry about what he will do. You should focus on why losing custody would be bad for your son, not how it helps or pleases you.

All you can do is wait until it's time to try your case!!!!
 
Ah, but that is where my focus lies and why I'm so concerned. And maybe I shouldn't be. The courts would never side with someone just b/c they know and respect their father right? Oh wait, that happened before when we had to go to conciliation...

Yes, I agree I would have been angry. It wasn't that I forgot, but that my focus was on the children who were actually molested not the one that witnessed something but wasn't even sure what it was. I was also working to get the foster kid out of my house as quickly as possible. I was in shock myself.
 
Ah, but that is where my focus lies and why I'm so concerned. And maybe I shouldn't be. The courts would never side with someone just b/c they know and respect their father right? Oh wait, that happened before when we had to go to conciliation...

Yes, I agree I would have been angry. It wasn't that I forgot, but that my focus was on the children who were actually molested not the one that witnessed something but wasn't even sure what it was. I was also working to get the foster kid out of my house as quickly as possible. I was in shock myself.


I understand, but I'm not your judge.
Ask a friend to read what you've posted.
It comes across as an excuse.
Courts don't like excuses.
You need to think about your rationale.
You have to find a way to say this so it doesn't come across as not taking responsibility for an unfortunate incident.
You also need to be able to explain why immediate notification wasn't given to the other parent.
Yes, you had many balls in the air.
The court wants to know that this will never happen again, if you are trusted to retain your custodial privilege.
If you can't do that, you may be seen as incapable of retaining custody.
This will be an iterative process for you.
It isn't as easy as 2 + 2 being 4.
Think about it, rethink it, and rethink it.
Rely on close friends and relatives to help you refine your answer.
You can do it.
 
I can see what you are saying, but I'm really not sure how to reword it. My son's dad was not involved and when my son threatened suicide the year before and I called him and tried to get him to help at that time, he just kept telling me he has nothing to offer to the situation b/c my son never acts that way with him. Even the smaller stuff like when he got in trouble at school for practicing his TKD and accidentally knocked out another kid's baby tooth, his dad's response was that he had nothing to offer, but for this one whatever punishment I came up with he would try to follow at his home when my son was there. The incident that screws me was huge. As a family we needed real support and not this I have to know b/c I'm controlling, but I won't provide any help whatsoever crap he has always pulled. I don't have a clue how to put that into words the court will understand and neither do any of my friends. We are normal people we don't live in the court system with the judges and lawyers. To us, shock and action are reasons. But the fact is, my son barely witnessed one incident that he didn't even know what he witnessed and after everything else was done and wore off, there was nothing his dad could have done to help and I was honestly afraid he would make it worse for my son. His lack of interest in the past and continuing up until about 6 weeks ago was pretty apparent that he wouldn't have cared either way. But he obviously was aware of it b/c he put it in his motion and even had details. He wouldn't have gotten that from anyone but my son since he never talked to me about it, I'd have to assume he knew it was not a major thing either. But I have no idea how the court will see anything. You would think since I have 9 years of documentation proving his dad has not been involved and that I have done all the raising of him would be something. You would also think the therapist's testimony, teachers, etc would help. But I screw up one time and it damns me for good while he can screw up all the time and it's ok and forgiven even.

Thanks for letting me vent here and giving me some pointers on how to look at what I'm saying. I'm not sure I'll figure out how to say it without looking like the bad guy, but I appreciate the help. What will be, will be.
 
You've nailed one of life's problems. You can do something right for years, but make one mistake and you're screwed.

All the other episodes you told him about. He did nothing, but you told him anyway. Telling him relieved you of any issues. It put the burden on him.

The molestation, you didn't tell him about. That makes it appear that you concealed it from him. Whether he did anything, he couldn't come back and say you were not forthcoming. It looks worse here because you always told him in the past.

You've got to overcome that. If I were his lawyer, I'd be all over your omission.

All of what you said about the past, only makes this worse. Of course, whatever happens will happen. But, I thought you wanted to win? Now it seems you've resigned yourself to lose.

He might not win, but be prepared to get battered about this. That's why you need to figure out a way to make it look better.

I'll give you something to think about. If it were me, I'd say that I was so focused on helping my child get better; I neglected to notify my "ex". Then I'd say, I notified after the fact They must have forgotten or somehow missed the message.

I wouldn't say I didn't tell them. Why make it easier for someone to destroy you? But, each of us has to fight our own fight.

Someone once said, tell the truth, it'll make everything easier. Well, that never works. Telling the truth and confessing makes it easier for you to get screwed.
 
You think I would be better off lying and making him prove that I didn't tell him? I hate lying/liars, but for my son I just might get over that. Right now I'm always on the defensive trying to prove what he is lying about isn't true, maybe going on the offensive is the better strategy.

I'm not giving up, I'm trying to believe that what does happen will be what should happen - given that I'm going to do everything in my power to show my side of the story in the best possible light. My son is adamant he does not want to live with his dad, so i will do everything I can to make sure that doesn't happen. It doesn't however mean I will 'win'.
 
You think I would be better off lying and making him prove that I didn't tell him? I hate lying/liars, but for my son I just might get over that. Right now I'm always on the defensive trying to prove what he is lying about isn't true, maybe going on the offensive is the better strategy.

I'm not giving up, I'm trying to believe that what does happen will be what should happen - given that I'm going to do everything in my power to show my side of the story in the best possible light. My son is adamant he does not want to live with his dad, so i will do everything I can to make sure that doesn't happen. It doesn't however mean I will 'win'.


I have no idea what will work for you.
I told you what I would do.
Yeah, everyone hates lying and liars, yet everyone lies.
Go figure.
Besides, he can't PROVE that you never told him.
He can ONLY assert it.
 
I have no idea what will work for you.
I told you what I would do.
Yeah, everyone hates lying and liars, yet everyone lies.
Go figure.
Besides, he can't PROVE that you never told him.
He can ONLY assert it.

I can't believe you are actually suggesting to the OP to perjure herself in court. That is reprehensible.
 
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BayState said:
I can't believe you are actually suggesting to the OP to purger herself in court. That is reprehensible.


I understand why you can't understand it. I don't know what purger is, either.

I never told the person to lie. (I think you meant that i instructed the person to commit perjury.)

I told her what I would do. Besides, it isn't a lie (or perjury, which is a legal conclusion), unless it's proven to be a lie. By the way, if I had a dime for every lie uttered in a courtroom, I'd be a multi-millionaire.

That said, a lie isn't perjury. One person's lie is another person's truth. I'm glad you read my posts, eventually even you could learn something about the law.
 
I understand why you can't understand it. I don't know what purger is, either.

I never told the person to lie. (I think you meant that i instructed the person to commit perjury.)

I told her what I would do. Besides, it isn't a lie (or perjury, which is a legal conclusion), unless it's proven to be a lie. By the way, if I had a dime for every lie uttered in a courtroom, I'd be a multi-millionaire.

That said, a lie isn't perjury. One person's lie is another person's truth. I'm glad you read my posts, eventually even you could learn something about the law.


Sorry for the mis-spelling. But I am glad you knew exactly what I meant despite my dyslexic moment...:rolleyes:


I know how perjury is determined in court. I didn't state that OP would go to jail. I stated as a "Judge" for you to suggest that OP lie in court is reprehensible. This is a legal site and legal advice is what people come for. That is the "intent" of this site and others like it. To help.

That you would lie under oath, sadly, does not surprise me.

Main Entry: oath
Pronunciation: \ˈōth\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural oaths \ˈōthz, ˈōths\
Etymology: Middle English ooth, from Old English āth; akin to Old High German eid oath, Middle Irish oeth
Date: before 12th century
1 a (1) : a solemn usually formal calling upon God or a god to witness to the truth of what one says or to witness that one sincerely intends to do what one says (2) : a solemn attestation of the truth or inviolability of one's words b : something (as a promise) corroborated by an oath
 
You think I would be better off lying and making him prove that I didn't tell him? I hate lying/liars, but for my son I just might get over that. Right now I'm always on the defensive trying to prove what he is lying about isn't true, maybe going on the offensive is the better strategy.

Whether that was advice, a suggestion, or simply a tale, IMO this would be a TERRIBLE idea for you to consider. You know it isn't true, so it would require lying in court. Given that you hate liars, can you really pull it off when his lawyer questions or "batters" you?

Ethical considerations aside, if you get caught in the lie in court, then anything else you've said or done is all the more suspect.

You should really consider retaining a lawyer for your hearing.
 
It is truly the only thing he has against me. But it seems to the courts to be a big deal. I guess to those of us who have conquered that type of trauma without any major issues, it really isn't a big deal. I would consider my son's dad's lack of any emotional connection with my son to be a bigger deal and more of a problem. Especially when we are discussing taking him away from the family he does have an emotional connection to and putting him somewhere he isn't comfortable. Include the fact that it has been over a year and his dad is just now bringing it up is just odd.
 
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