false allegation child abuse

[CdwJava]

Maybe it's just me, but, I still have a greater concern for this child and how the girl got gonorrhea!!! Folks, this did not happen by happenstance or by shaking hands with a playmate! Mom and dad may be the only way to sort it out. While I understand their reticence to speak to the police or DCF, let me tell you as the guy that does these investigations, the police want to get THE SUSPECT! We don't get a toaster and a trip to Vegas if we pursue charges against just anyone! If mom and dad are innocent of wrongdoing, they may be the key to identifying the perpetrator of an assault on their daughter! Or, they may be able to help identify the bizarre communicable circumstance that caused it. If the authorities have to pry things out of them then they will be distracted - perhaps prevented - from finding the perpetrator.

My concern is for this child. If the facts are as have been stated and as i see them, I am surprised that DCF and the police have not yet sought a court order to take the child into protective custody. Perhaps there are facts that mitigate the potential parental liability ... perhaps not, and the wheels of the investigation are moving slowly. Either way, my concern is first for that child.

 

[army judge]

Maybe it's just me, but, I still have a greater concern for this child and how the girl got gonorrhea!!! Folks, this did not happen by happenstance or by shaking hands with a playmate! Mom and dad may be the only way to sort it out. While I understand their reticence to speak to the police or DCF, let me tell you as the guy that does these investigations, the police want to get THE SUSPECT! We don't get a toaster and a trip to Vegas if we pursue charges against just anyone! If mom and dad are innocent of wrongdoing, they may be the key to identifying the perpetrator of an assault on their daughter! Or, they may be able to help identify the bizarre communicable circumstance that caused it. If the authorities have to pry things out of them then they will be distracted - perhaps prevented - from finding the perpetrator.

My concern is for this child. If the facts are as have been stated and as i see them, I am surprised that DCF and the police have not yet sought a court order to take the child into protective custody. Perhaps there are facts that mitigate the potential parental liability ... perhaps not, and the wheels of the investigation are moving slowly. Either way, my concern is first for that child.

I agree with you.
However, its been my experience that you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.
I think we know what happened, and how it happened.
I have two guesses as to how the baby got the disease.
I've ruled out mom, but mom wants to protect her family.
I think the authorities will get it sorted when the lab results come back with the scientific analysis of the gonorrhea strain infecting the baby and dad.

 

[shrinkmaster]

I certainly agree but its Mom asking and I want to take her word for it that NOTHING happened. It looks bad yes but the person on Parentnook had a situation that looked ugly but turned out was not. I want to trust people. Fact the DCF has not removed child has me leaning towards Moms view. In the case with the person on Parentnook the child was removed right away until investigation proved "it did not happen." CDWJava question. If the STD can only be spread through intercourse or I would guess semen and there was no physical evidence to support any penetration could the STD be transferred if semen reached the vaginal area or if there was oral copulation? Mom is relaying on the evidence of NO INTERCOURSE to mean her husband did not sexually assault child.

 

[CdwJava]

I certainly agree but its Mom asking and I want to take her word for it that NOTHING happened.

Most child molestations are committed by perpetrators that the parents (or one of them) would never suspect. Some 9 of 10 are committed by family or close friends, so it is no surprise that a mom might honestly believe nothing happened. Yet, per the OP, the daughter has gonorrhea. That tends to indicate that mom is mistaken.

It looks bad yes but the person on Parentnook had a situation that looked ugly but turned out was not. I want to trust people.

And my job is to PROTECT people - particularly those that cannot protect themselves. Children, in particular.

Fact the DCF has not removed child has me leaning towards Moms view.

Until now, the parents have been at least partially cooperating. Cooperation is preferable to coercion. That may change if the family suddenly circles the wagons ... as is their right.

In the case with the person on Parentnook the child was removed right away until investigation proved "it did not happen."

With good cause, that is a common precaution. We tend to err on the side of the child's safety.

CDWJava question. If the STD can only be spread through intercourse or I would guess semen and there was no physical evidence to support any penetration could the STD be transferred if semen reached the vaginal area or if there was oral copulation?

I would never state that gonorrhea could "only" be spread through a particular form of transmission. However, since the CDC and the medical experts I have worked with indicate that something north of 90% of such transmissions are the result of fluid transfer, the evidence that some form of molestation has occurred is quite high.

Mom is relaying on the evidence of NO INTERCOURSE to mean her husband did not sexually assault child.

And, she may believe that. And, it may even be true. But, the fact is that DAD may not be the only potential suspect in the equation. Without the parents' cooperation, the REAL suspect (presuming dad is not the perpetrator) might go undetected for a very long time or forever because mom and dad will shut down. And, in an effort to protect themselves they may well allow the true suspect to go free ... and, honestly, it wouldn't be the first time that such a tactic has been utilized intentionally to protect the perpetrator.

As with child abductions, in child molestation cases, the longer the authorities get delayed having to struggle around the wall erected by the caregivers and family, the less likely it is that the actual suspect will be identified or successfully prosecuted.

 

[gauri]

My Husband's dr told us that general pediatric are not aware of other means of transmission of this disease and send us a few links. He also have spoken to DCF about other means of transmission. One of the link is as below

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1011955/pdf/genitmed00070-0016.pdf


We are the victim of general medical belief. I also found a lot of similar cases at PubMed(NCBI) so I am 100% sure the way we are in trouble because of medical outcome and dr general beliefs, we will be out soon with the help of specialist in this area.

Thanks!!

 

[CdwJava]

Yes, that is an old article and explains one of the possible theories of transmission. But, since such transmission is rare, the focus is still going to be towards some form of abuse.

If you are not still cooperating with DCF or the police, I am surprised they have not yet moved the matter before a court to seize the child or compel examination.

 

[army judge]

My Husband's dr told us that general pediatric are not aware of other means of transmission of this disease and send us a few links. He also have spoken to DCF about other means of transmission. One of the link is as below

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1011955/pdf/genitmed00070-0016.pdf


We are the victim of general medical belief. I also found a lot of similar cases at PubMed(NCBI) so I am 100% sure the way we are in trouble because of medical outcome and dr general beliefs, we will be out soon with the help of specialist in this area.

Thanks!!

The results of the lab analysis of the different gonorrhea samples taken form yotu child and your husband will be enough to decide whether your husband goes free, or gets charged.

These days, laboratory analysis will reveal almost everything need to determine who did what to whom.

How old is your child?
Is your child male or female?
Have you tried to asking your child about this, MOM?
The way I see it, you and the child are victims.
I don't know enough to rule dad out, yet!
I suspect that is the hold up.
It isn't about how the disease is transmitted.
Other than sexual contact, its extremely rare to get infected in other ways, especially with a child.
Its about whether the disease your husband had is from the same strain as your child had.

 

[gauri]

Thanks all for your valuable inputs.

At what point and how we will come to know if DA has decided NOT to pursue the criminal investigation? Or DA has started its criminal investigation.

When we will get the report of DCF saying supported in and supported out? Its after intial 15 days of investigation or after 45 days of comprehensive assessment by DCF?

 

[army judge]

Thanks all for your valuable inputs.

At what point and how we will come to know if DA has decided NOT to pursue the criminal investigation? Or DA has started its criminal investigation.

When we will get the report of DCF saying supported in and supported out? Its after intial 15 days of investigation or after 45 days of comprehensive assessment by DCF?

In this case, no news, is good news.
It seems as if the authorities have forgotten, or will soon forget about this.
Just live your lives, don't stress about things you can't control.
Whatever happens, good or bad, is going to happen.
None of us are in control of what others do, or will do.
I hope your entire family is healthy, and stays healthy.
Good luck to you.

 

[Inquisitive16]

so now speaking to so many attorney , we are still bit confused, if we have't done anything and about which we are 200% sure. We also know that if we are properly investigated on medical ground or any other ground we will win the case in the end. So what is a better path, going through attorney or let the DCF inquire in their own way. As per you all guiding us that we should hire an attorney but I am still feeling that these people will see that we are not against them and cooperating them well...so that may we can have less pain....please lets have some light on my statement

Second question:

One of the attorney(rest of the attorney advising what u guys advice here) told us that if we don't have anything to hide, three things can happen as below

1. they will file the case in senior court (worst case)
2. they will file the case in lower court
3. they will not do anything if they found us innocent

So I again seek your guidance how are the possibility we can fall into case 1 here?

NEVER trust CPS to do their job thoroughly. Most agencies have a less than stellar record.