Yes. We really do know it's safe. What we don't really know is why the far right is so intent on spreading misinformation that is killing people.
NYS Covid Vaccine Mandate
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adjusterjack
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We can NEVER know if ANY drug is 100% safe. There will always be people who get negative side effects, even severe illness and death, or on whom the drugs just don't work.
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army judge
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What you type is true.
There could be the loss of one's employment, if you don't get the jabs.
However, as my father was fond of saying (God rest his precious soul), "I was looking for a job when I found this one. I'll find another job if I lose the one I have."
If you lose your life, everything is over.
So, we take calculated risks.
I waited for a month after the jabs began to get my first jab, and I'm an osteopathic physician and an attorney.
The MRNA vaccines available appeared to be safe for use on MOST humans.
Months later I've had THREE Pfizer jabs, and I'll probably obtain a Moderna jab.
Why?
I'm not ready to die.
I'm not afraid of death, proved that to myself after four tours in Nam, my first one as a dumb (although eager) 18 year old kid.
Bottom line, no jab squad is going to invade your home and jab you.
An American citizen can still say NO jab for me.
The medically animated Cadaver in Chief might talk trash about those reluctant to get the jabs, but even the all powerful Cadaver Behind the White Curtain doesn't have the power to "sic" a STABnJAB Hit Squad on you.
Americans have always disagreed.
We often disagree with our relatives, but we don't stop loving each other.
Some of our disagreements were filled with name calling and accusations.
One such disagreement ended in our Civil War.
Over time, recriminations, accusations will cease, and we'll all be more amicable towards each other.
That is what FREE people do, disagree.
When the Chinese virus has disappeared, this will still be the USA.
This is a nation whose military uniform I proudly wore for 32 years.
I waged her battles, I fought her fights, despite my dislike for the president my fellow citizens elected.
I made my decision.
You are free to make yours.
I support your right to make choices solely for yourself.
You, as did I, showed up when your country needed you.
Millions of people still talking trash, because you, I and millions of others stood up, recited the oath, and dutifully fought our nation's battles.
Simply put, you and I defended our freedoms.
We weren't me spectators, mate, we earned our participation accolades.
My friend, that is the essence of the USA, that is freedom.
Choose wisely, because YOU alone are FREE to decide what works best for you.
army judge
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I beg to offer some contradictory information, my friend.
After reading it, you might wish to reconsider your assumptions.
If President Donald Trump had won reelection, the vaccine skepticism might have leaned more to the other side. We can't say that for sure, of course, but we do know that during the 2020 campaign, top Democratic leaders, such as presidential nominee (at the time) Joe Biden and running mate Kamala Harris, laid the groundwork for vaccine skepticism.
During a CNN interview on Sept. 5, with the vaccine still in development under Trump's historic Operation Warp Speed, Harris was asked if she would get the vaccine when it was ready.
It depends, Harris answered. "I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump," she continued, "and it would have to be a credible source of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he's talking about. I will not take (Trump's) word for it."
In her Oct. 8 debate with Vice President Mike Pence, Harris was asked, "If the Trump administration approves a vaccine, before or after the election, should Americans take it and would you take it?" Harris answered that she would take it only if the nation's top virologist, Dr. Anthony Fauci, recommended it. "But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it," Harris said.
Later in the debate, Pence told Harris, "Your continuous undermining of confidence in a vaccine is just, it's just unacceptable." But Biden, the Democratic presidential nominee, was sending the same message. "I trust vaccines, I trust scientists, but I don't trust Donald Trump," Biden said in September. "And at this moment the American people can't, either."
In October, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, at the time respected by Democrats despite his disastrous handling of the COVID-19 pandemic in his state, was asked whether he had confidence in the government's approval process for the vaccine. "I'm not that confident, but my opinion doesn't matter," Cuomo told ABC News. "I don't believe the American people are that confident. I think it's going to be a very skeptical American public about taking the vaccine, and they should be." During the transition, Cuomo suggested he would bar distribution of the vaccine in New York as long as Trump remained president.
Democratic voters got the message. In an October 2020 Kaiser Family Foundation poll, respondents were asked, "How worried are you, if at all, that the (Food and Drug Administration) will rush to approve a coronavirus vaccine without making sure that it is safe and effective, due to political pressure from President Trump and the White House?" Among Democrats, 86% said they were very or somewhat worried, versus 29% of Republicans.
Although other polls indicated that Democrats were, overall, a bit more likely than Republicans to say they would get the vaccine quickly upon release, the fact was, Democratic leaders had encouraged skepticism when skepticism was politically beneficial — during the campaign. After Biden's victory, Democrats fully embraced the vaccine and mounted a help-is-on-the-way public relations campaign.
What if Trump had been reelected? Skepticism among some Democrats might well have expanded and hardened into a wariness about the COVID-19 vaccine similar to what we see among some Republicans today. "It was rushed!" many Democrats might say. "Scientists were pressured! Trump corrupted the approval process!" Yes, that is speculation. But it is a fact that some Democrats were saying one thing about the vaccine before the election and another thing
The misinformation, vaccine denial seeds were sewn first by Donkeys, long before the current occupant of the White House began his term.
Today they're being hit with their own nasty tactics.
Certain behaviors remind me of a seven year old trying to discard the remaining milkshake from a disposable cup, while sitting in the backseat of mother's car buzzing along an Interstate at 75 miles per hour.
Blow back is best avoided.
More information, if you choose to seek it.
Guess who undermined public confidence in vaccines?
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gerard2006
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I spoke to 2 local attorneys here and they said it's better if they write to my HR department instead of me going to the EEOC. They felt that if I simply go to the EEOC, my employer will think I'm not serious about suing them but at the same time, each of these attorneys want 3 hours labor (roughly $1350) for writing this letter. I'm leaning towards filing an EEOC complaint first as I'm unsure about the strength of my case so don't want to put down money as yet given I'm not even pulling a salary right now. Thoughts? Thanks
Realize that any EEO complaint will take MUCH longer and that there is less weight as I suspect EEOC will most likely side with the gov't mandate and employer.
I'd instead write a compelling letter about your personal beliefs (and stay away from the fetal baby part argument) but stick to your personal direct religious beliefs and see if your employer backs down. If they do not, then you might have a stronger case later with the EEO about them not taking into account your religious beliefs. (IANAL, just a well versed HR person with 25 yrs experience and what I have seen in the federal/contractor sector and what I am reading/researching).
That said, what reasonable accommodation are you asking for to work past it?
I'd instead write a compelling letter about your personal beliefs (and stay away from the fetal baby part argument) but stick to your personal direct religious beliefs and see if your employer backs down. If they do not, then you might have a stronger case later with the EEO about them not taking into account your religious beliefs. (IANAL, just a well versed HR person with 25 yrs experience and what I have seen in the federal/contractor sector and what I am reading/researching).
That said, what reasonable accommodation are you asking for to work past it?
